Hey! Michelle with a Mic: What If Your Intuition Is Trying to Tell You Something?

What if the answers you've been searching for aren't somewhere out there, but already within you?

In this episode of Hey! Michelle with a Mic, Michelle sits down with intuitive energy expert, Reiki Master, meditation teacher, and spiritual coach Moira Shine Free for an open and fascinating conversation about the world of energy healing, intuition, tarot, and finding your life's purpose. Together, they explore how trauma, stress, and everyday life can create energetic blockages, and how practices like Reiki and meditation can help us reconnect with ourselves. 

Moira shares her personal journey from lifelong curiosity about psychics and palm readers to becoming a professional intuitive after a life-changing Reiki experience and a major personal transformation. She opens up about developing her gifts, helping clients navigate grief, anxiety, relationships, and life transitions, and why she believes everyone has the ability to strengthen their own intuition. 

Michelle, as always, asks the questions we're all thinking: Can you really feel other people's energy? What's the deal with tarot cards, crystals, and full moons? How do you actually meditate when your mind won't stop racing? And can raising your vibration really change your day-to-day life? The answers might surprise you.

Whether you're deeply spiritual, simply curious, or just looking for a little more peace in your busy life, this conversation offers practical takeaways and a fresh perspective on healing, mindfulness, and trusting yourself.

Learn more about Moira and her work at www.shinefree.co.

Transcript

SPEAKER_01 0:00

Okay, welcome to Hey Michelle with a mic. I promise not to sing. I am bringing you good people with great stories. And today we have more a read. More shines free. It's shines free. I follow her. I should know this. And she is all things Zen. Like Reiki and intuitive and meditation and things I don't know a lot about tarot card reading. She does all the time, down at Dead Low, things like that. So I have a million questions because I have done Reiki with you and things like that. But I'm still kind of clueless on a lot of it. Cool. So um I mean, I have a million questions, but we're gonna just dive in with I mean, tell us your background and when this even started. And I'm so like, how does somebody even know? See, here are my million questions.

SPEAKER_00 0:57

Right, right, right. No, I love it. So I always joked that I was intuitive growing up. I was always into tarot readers, palm readers, psychics, always went to them from little on. I don't really my mom had to have been into it on some level for me to even be access, yeah. I remember she got me a palm reading book one time for Christmas. So like she God love her. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so I was always into that. So I always went to those types of people on vacation or just in town, anywhere I'd see a palm reader or psychic, I'd be like, oh my gosh, I'm going. And then as much as I was into all of that, I never knew what Reiki was. So probably like 25 years ago now, I went to a woman who did Reiki energy healing for the first time. Which the idea of Reiki, for those who don't know, Reiki is an ancient Japanese healing modality. Okay. So the idea is that life force energy is in us, in all of matter, in everything, and we want to get that flowing.

SPEAKER_01 2:03

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 2:03

And we have blockages from trauma, from you know, emotional pain, physical pain. We all hold energy and we want to have that flowing. So I went to this Reiki Master for the first time for my allergies. I had a horrible sinus infection, always dealt with allergies. So I was going for a physical reason. I wasn't thinking anything metaphysical at all. And I'm lying on the table and she touches my feet first, and she says, What's wrong with your face? And I was like, My face kills. I was like, I have a horrible sinus infection. I can't breathe. My face literally hurts.

SPEAKER_01 2:44

Oh my gosh, welcome to Cincinnati. I mean, kind of like the allergy situation.

SPEAKER_00 2:48

Exactly. So fast forward, I get up, my face does not hurt. I can breathe through my nose. Totally clear. But more significantly than that, when she was working on me, I felt like I was raised off the table. Like I knew I wasn't, but I felt like I was. I felt like my head was over here and my hips were over here, like not possible. I felt like I had arms coming off my abdomen, like other extensions.

SPEAKER_01 3:17

And you didn't smoke anything before this.

SPEAKER_00 3:19

No, nothing.

SPEAKER_01 3:21

Okay, just to be clear.

SPEAKER_00 3:24

Felt like I was morphing into everything around me. Okay. So when they say we're all one, we're all connected, I'm like, absolutely 100%. That's true. I experienced it. So then later I had read different books, very similar experiences, and they call it a mystical experience. So I would go back to her, I'd go back to other people, and then 2015, I started going through a divorce, and I was going to her and other people more often. For me, it was better than any therapy. Then I needed a job. I was basically a stay-at-home mom. I did some personal training, but basically a stay-at-home mom, and I'm like, I'm gonna become a Reiki master. Not really knowing that that's how I'm gonna make a living, I just thought I'm gonna become a Reiki master. So I became a Reiki master over a three-month process. After I was attuned, it's a process of being attuned. I my intuition opened up even more. Like I could see physical pain, I could feel emotional pain on people. I knew things that you know I would have no idea knowing. And and I really wasn't surprised about it. But then I had a deceased love one come through of somebody that I was working on. Okay. So that I was like, okay, was that just like what's going on? Yeah. Yeah, it didn't, it didn't really freak me out, but it was like, what is happening? So then I found this course online, nine-month course, that taught you how to open your intuition even more, learn about the energy centers, the chakras, angels, deceased loved ones, how to figure out who's coming through and how to get messages. Okay. So I did that, which was really cool. That was via Zoom, which was before 2020, before Zoom was a thing. Right. Met people from all over the world who took the course. So I still have friends in Ireland and Canada, New Zealand, and it's awesome.

SPEAKER_02 5:20

Oh wow.

SPEAKER_00 5:21

And then I start I put it out there on Facebook. I remember the day I did it. I was a nervous wreck telling people basically, okay, I'm intuitive, I can channel your energy, I want to practice on people. Put your name down if you want me to practice. I was scared to death.

SPEAKER_01 5:40

Okay, so tell me, because I think it's one of those things, it's almost like me saying I'm a blogger. Like sometimes I feel like when I say it, I have to explain. But I, you know, promote local business. Like, I don't want the word, but to throw something out there that isn't except, you know, accountant, doctor, you know, throwing something out. So was your family and friends, were they, did they embrace this?

SPEAKER_00 6:01

It like within minutes, a friend of mine from high school texted me and he's like, I'm so proud of you, that's awesome. And I was like, oh my gosh, Rob, I was like teary. I was like, Rob, I am a nervous erect. I cannot believe I just put that out there. And then, but then I had all these people put their name down, like, yes, do me, do me, do me. And I did literally via text or a Facebook Messenger, a few phone calls, but really it was just, and everyone was like, Yeah, uh, that's spot on, or yes, or yes, or whatever. And I knew then I had heard, you know, people behind my back talking about me thinking. Yes, right.

SPEAKER_01 6:37

Especially because what year was it? Like, when is this?

SPEAKER_00 6:40

That would have been 2017. Yeah, I mean, so post-divorce, you know, she left her husband, now she's talking to dead people. Like, you know what I mean?

SPEAKER_02 6:49

Like she's lost it.

SPEAKER_00 6:51

But I had so many people who were supportive of me and couldn't believe it and were happy and and getting, you know, results or whatever, that I just focused on that and just ignored the people who didn't care. I didn't care.

SPEAKER_01 7:05

And I'm sure they probably came knocking eventually, probably you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:09

Yeah, it's funny. Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 7:10

Do you so you started with like the tarot card, palm reading, that kind of thing, and then kind of went into all this other those people, yes. Yes, and then you know, you do the meditation because you have a studio. So do you feel like it's different in person than via or you I mean I'm surprised you could do that via you know, yeah.

SPEAKER_00 7:31

I actually really like doing it over the phone. Okay, interesting. I really I don't know what it is, it's a lot faster. I connect, I click in much faster.

SPEAKER_01 7:42

Interesting.

SPEAKER_00 7:42

Um, I don't know why exactly. And then I've gotten to the point where I I like doing Reiki, and some people who come to me in person really enjoy it, really it helps them calm down or whatever it is. But I get things so much faster that I just kind of want to finish the session so I can talk and tell them what I'm seeing. Right. Yeah, so that's why I like it over the phone because then it's just talking, you know?

SPEAKER_01 8:06

Yes. So, like out of all these, do you have a an experience that you remember distinctly? Is it probably is it the first time you saw a deceased, or do you have any that like crazy kind of story, anything that was like, whoa?

SPEAKER_00 8:22

I know, I have so many. I mean, that for sure, the first one was was pretty wild. I have, I mean, this isn't really one story, but I have a few people who I have who have come through who I'm working on. So deceased people who have died by suicide.

SPEAKER_01 8:44

Oh.

SPEAKER_00 8:45

And that's been really hard for me.

SPEAKER_01 8:47

Yeah, so is there information sometimes you don't want to share?

SPEAKER_00 8:51

I mean, it's not that I um or things you see that you're like I no, for the most no, I not really. I pretty much say everything. I mean, really, the people on the other side, what my belief and what I've gotten is that they want us to be happy. They're happy now, they're happy to be. The only thing that makes them unhappy is seeing us unhappy.

SPEAKER_01 9:13

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 9:14

The people who've died by suicide have kind of I guess triggered me because I feel how they felt when they were here living on earth and how hard it was. So that is hard for me.

SPEAKER_01 9:27

That comes through. So literally, I was just talking to a friend of mine before I came here, and I told her I was talking to you, and she said she had no idea she has intuitiveness. I don't know what word you use for this. But she said she when she was younger and she'd go out to bars or whatever, sh by the end of the night she was crying.

SPEAKER_02 9:43

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 9:44

And she said, I had no idea, and I couldn't figure it out that I was picking up emotions from my friends around me, like their depression, their sadness. And it was exhausting. And she didn't, it took her forever to figure that out that she was like carrying the baggage of people around her, which I guess is a thing. Like that's what it is.

SPEAKER_00 10:01

And it's a huge thing I try to get across to younger people, especially, who are, you know, depressed or anxious or in a bad mood and they don't know why. Like I remember my son came home one time years ago from he, I think he was like in seventh grade, and he was like, I was like, What's wrong? He was in a bad mood. Now he was in seventh grade, but still. He's like, I don't know. And I'm like, no, really, what's wrong? He's like, I don't know. And then all of a sudden I'm like, wait, you don't know? Yeah, right. I'm like, hold on, let me clear you.

SPEAKER_01 10:28

Oh, that is funny. Yeah, because that would have to be how could how do you turn that off? Like in real life, walking around. Yeah, that's it. It's like a movie where you see are you picking up on everybody?

SPEAKER_00 10:38

I mean, right, and that's why it not just young people, everybody, but that's why I want them to understand. Because when you understand it, then you're like, oh wait, okay, maybe this isn't me. Maybe I'm fine. I just really need to clear my energy. Or if you're that sensitive a person, you go out one night, maybe the next night you can't go out. Maybe you need to chill at home and kind of decompress and get get everybody off of you.

SPEAKER_01 11:03

That is so interesting. So you, I know in your studio, so you do the raking and everything, and then you have that one room. Remind me what this so right.

SPEAKER_00 11:12

So I started working out of my house, then I got office space for two years over by Lunkin Airport, and then I was over in an old house, which was awesome. Yeah, that was a cool house.

SPEAKER_01 11:23

Oh, I bet because I'd been at that house, right by River Bend, yes.

SPEAKER_00 11:26

Right, yes. So I was there for about four years, then opened a wellness center with a business partner, and he and I went in together on the energy enhancement system. So that is scalar technology. It it's in a room. I mean, you've seen it, but it's in a room. We have eight different screens, and that technology admits frequency to get your body in the perfect state to heal ourselves. So our bodies were designed to heal themselves. But because we're constantly bombarded by pollution, pesticides, everything, you know, EMFs, all of it, our bodies are like constantly struggling. Okay. So that's the perfect environment to recharge and get your body to heal itself back into its natural state.

SPEAKER_01 12:18

So is that why like meditation is so important, which is so hard to do? I yeah, for one person, I because I think you said when you get to that room, you have to be quiet, or like you're kind of quiet saying I was like, oh, I could do that for like five minutes, and then I'd be poking the person next to me, like, hey, what'd you do last night?

unknown 12:35

Right.

SPEAKER_01 12:36

I'm you know, I always have one eye open all the time. I'm just not good at it, but I know I need to be better at it.

SPEAKER_00 12:43

Yeah, so I started meditating back in high school. I had one teacher who I don't even know if she used that word meditation, but that's basically what was nap time or close your eyes time siesta. I like would beg her to do it. I loved it, which is funny that I like you know right. Um, and then I taught school right out of college, fourth grade, and I would meditate those kids and they loved it. Which again, I don't even know if I used that word.

SPEAKER_02 13:11

Yes.

SPEAKER_00 13:11

Um, but it was basically quiet time, maybe I would read from like a poetry book or you know, play soft music, and those kids loved it. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 13:20

And they probably need it at that age.

SPEAKER_00 13:22

Oh, for sure, especially the area in which I taught. Um, but then when I had that mystical experience of Reiki for the first time, I'm like, I then started meditating differently because I'm like, okay, I want to feel this again. That was amazing. Which I have not to that full extent, and not every time I meditate. But that's how I meditate now is opening up to that life force energy, visualizing that I'm recharging my body, getting my body on a higher frequency. So when I teach meditation, I go to businesses and teach meditation, teach meditation to whoever have classes at the wellness center. Those are the three big things. I talk about what everyone knows that yes, it's good for your nervous system, it calms you down, good for your immune system. Um, you know, we have a part of our brain, the amygdala, that that's our fight and fight or flight. It sends out serotonin, everything that we need, which we need that, but because of the world we live in, we're constantly on edge. The phone beeps, we're we're constantly so people, it's been shown that you meditate on a regular basis, that amygdala actually shrinks, and we have better emotional intelligence, and we're not constantly on the go.

SPEAKER_01 14:44

So, what is like a good meditation practice? Is it once a day? Is it 15 minutes? Like, what is so well?

SPEAKER_00 14:50

So that's so that's one point that I say why to meditate. The other reason is to clear other people's energies off of you, come back to you. I can see that. And then the other reason is to raise your vibration. So, like I say, you know, you're having a bad day, like attracts like, so you're having a bad day all day long. You know, you wake up, you spill coffee on your shirt, you bump your toe on the dresser all day long, you're like, oh my god, because you're on a low vibration, and then like attracts like so that keeps happening. Okay, you have one of those days where you're just in the flow. You get the phone calls you need, you get the perfect parking spot you need, you everything's just working out. You're on a high vibration.

SPEAKER_01 15:31

Okay.

SPEAKER_00 15:32

The more you meditate, the more consistently you're on that higher vibration, and your life just goes more smoothly.

SPEAKER_01 15:39

Interesting.

SPEAKER_00 15:40

So, to your question, I personally don't say twice a day, 20 minutes, because I for me that's just not practical. I just say if it's two minutes every day, yes, hopefully. But if it's two minutes, at least you've plugged in and raised your vibration.

SPEAKER_01 16:00

So just find a quiet space, or can you do this in your car when you park somewhere and you've got two minutes before you go in? Or something like that, just a quiet.

SPEAKER_00 16:08

Absolutely.

SPEAKER_01 16:09

Is there anything you're supposed to do or say?

SPEAKER_00 16:11

Or is it like I unlike if you're sitting in LOTUS style, cross-legged position, that's fine. Otherwise, uncross your legs to get that energy flowing. I always have people put their palms up first.

SPEAKER_01 16:24

Is that welcoming energy or something like that?

SPEAKER_00 16:26

Yeah, and it's for when you do that and think about it for a minute, you can feel that energy in your hands, okay, which is your own life force energy. So you're getting that flowing, and it just helps you just settle in. Okay. Just okay, feel feel into that, help you calm down, and then just visualize a shower of white light coming in, raising your vibration, clearing other people's energies off of you, balancing your energy. Okay, that's and you know, some people can't visualize, and I say just know what's happening. And yes, our mind is always gonna wonder. If that's a misconception, you're not not meditating.

SPEAKER_01 17:04

Right. Okay.

SPEAKER_00 17:04

So you just have to kind of bring it back. Just know that that energy's coming in, even if you're thinking that you have to go to the grocery store after this, you know.

SPEAKER_01 17:14

So you do I know you do tarot cards also around town. Yes, and I've done, and you kind of end your practice at your Reiki, you do the cards. Yes. Um people love that, right? I mean, uh, you know, I'm still waiting for my knight in shining armor. I'm like, oh, maybe he came and he left. Maybe he was tarnished. Oh, no.

unknown 17:35

We'll have to do another reading.

SPEAKER_01 17:36

I'm kidding. So I'll I'll always remember in New York City I went and got my palm red. And I didn't say anything when I walked in because I was always like, okay, do they read you? Do they look at your jewelry? Like, what do they get? What clues can they get? And that lady nailed it. And she nailed it from the guy that I was dating at the time to the fact that um she said something about um children with disabilities, and at that time I was in speech therapy and I was working at St. Rita School for the Deaf. Oh that's like something you can't fly on anybody, but like everybody, because that is not even remotely any like most people's thing. And she just nailed so much stuff that I always remember her, you know, and I'm thinking, wow, you know, that's just insane. But I mean, just the tarot card reading, just getting ideas for what is coming up. See, all these things like you know, your horoscope, and then I'm like Aquarius, but my friends who are into it are like, you're an Aquarius, but your moon is Pisces. It's like we're not really what's in the newspaper, the Aquarius every day. Right. But I might be a mixture. Is that the deal with the moon and stars sign?

SPEAKER_00 18:45

Your moon sign is all about your emotional, how you are emotionally, how you argue, how you react. And then your rising sign is how other people perceive you. So I have a whole coaching program on that. Okay. I have a six-week coaching program where I run your natal chart and I look at your sun, moon, and rising sign, which helps you to know your moon sign is really like important to understand how you are emotionally, what you need emotionally. And again, if you're in a relationship or even your children, like to know theirs and to know how they react.

SPEAKER_01 19:19

It just I needed to know that a long time ago when my kids were a little over parenting a lot.

SPEAKER_00 19:25

Right.

SPEAKER_01 19:26

Um so I mean most people come for what? What do you what's the most popular thing?

SPEAKER_00 19:32

Is it your I would say a lot of men who come to me with work stress. I have a lot of people who come, men and women, relationship stress, um, either going through a divorce, going, you know, going through a rough patch in their relationship. Um definitely people who have lost deceased loved ones, uh, lost children, and then younger kids who come to me with anxiety.

SPEAKER_01 19:58

Mm-hmm. I'm sure that's huge. And then I remember you kind of saying, you've got some like kind of celebrity sports people that come to you, don't you? Mm-hmm. I don't know who any of them are, but I'm just saying I remember you saying that, which is kind of which is kind of fun to know that um, you know, right that sports people and everything probably, you know.

SPEAKER_00 20:20

Right. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 20:22

I could see that being a a head game and in their game. Yes, yes, shall we say. Right. Um, okay, so what about like saging and crystals? I do have this I do have my sage at home, and I've you know, I do it now and then. I don't know if I'm doing it correctly.

unknown 20:39

I'm sure.

SPEAKER_01 20:40

Is there a right way they say the corners of the rooms, the whatever?

SPEAKER_00 20:43

No, a lot of it is intention. Your intention that you put behind it is the most important. I sage people after I work on them. And then houses, you do want to open your windows. Um, decluttering is huge with feng shui, that's a huge thing, which you know, if you declutter and then sage open windows, that just helps move the air, move that stagnant energy.

SPEAKER_01 21:06

And that is something you offer. You do that with homes, right?

SPEAKER_00 21:09

So I do, yes. So I clear homes, um, I clear spirits from homes, unwanted spirits. Spirits people don't want to leave. Some um are negative and they want out of there, yes. And then I got my real estate license because I was clearing homes and feng shuiing, and I'm like, I should sell homes.

SPEAKER_01 21:29

Well, and there you go, and then it's a free service. You you buy your home from me and I will feng shui it for you. Exactly, exactly. And then what I love about your um office that I always caught my eye was that you have like a a wall of letters from people, which I always think is so touching that people take time to actually write you and tell you what you've done for them.

SPEAKER_00 21:54

Yes, yes. I I love it. It makes me cry. With people who do that, who I'll print out some text and emails, but so many people who have handwritten me letters and mailed them, it's just like, yeah, it's amazing to me.

SPEAKER_01 22:11

That is so cool. So do you I know you offer the classes, are there people that come in who kind of want to do this, but they don't have the I mean, does everybody have it? You just have to be embracing it, the intuitive.

SPEAKER_00 22:23

I think everyone is intuitive, absolutely. But yes, you have to be open to it. And I feel like the more you trust it, the stronger it gets.

SPEAKER_01 22:32

Yeah. So I mean, like so anybody that comes to you, they probably already know that they've got it.

SPEAKER_00 22:36

I would say most people are open. You know, if they're gonna come to someone like me, they're open. But I've had a few people that are like, nah, don't really feel anything. Like, okay. Okay. That's fine. Yeah. You're not ready yet.

SPEAKER_01 22:49

Right. Because I think you do have to, like, I've gone to you a few times, and I feel like you do have to open up to it. Because especially if it's not in your wheelhouse at all, that you lay there and you, you know, kind of fight it or wonder what's going on instead of embracing it. Right. It doesn't really do what it needs to do. You're probably not floating in that situation.

SPEAKER_00 23:08

Yeah, and it's also helped me realize like I can't force things on people. I can't make them open up, or I can't make them do this or do that. You know, they have to be ready. They're all on their own journey.

SPEAKER_01 23:21

Right. Okay, so now what I feel like is a new thing, I'm sure it's ancient, but new to us, kind of in the area, like sound baths and things like that. That's very popular now, I feel, with yoga, sound baths. Um, talk what talk about that a little bit.

SPEAKER_00 23:35

Sound baths are awesome. We have a girl, Sally, at our wellness center, the Shine Free Wellness Center, um, who does sound baths with her with her partner Stanley. Okay. And it's all singing bowls, and she has a harp and a flute, she has all this, these instruments, and you just lay in our energy realm. Okay, and they play music, and it's just again getting you on that higher frequency.

SPEAKER_01 23:59

Okay, now that one I might like. Listening to the mu the song because it is such a Zen thing.

SPEAKER_00 24:05

Yes, for sure, for sure.

SPEAKER_01 24:07

That is awesome. Yeah, you offer so much in your in your studio. Um, so are there any so there's no boundaries of what you will do or what you won't like as far as what you're telling people or what you have to offer.

SPEAKER_00 24:20

I mean, you know, like I will never never touch a Ouija board.

SPEAKER_01 24:24

Okay, so there we go. Okay. And why is that?

SPEAKER_00 24:28

I well, I mean, there is good and evil out there. And even when I was little, I remember being at this birthday party and they would had a Ouija board. And I was like, nope. We were outside. I remember being outside playing. We were spending the night, we were outside playing, and the and the girl was like, Come on, we're gonna go in and do the Ouija board. I was like, Nope. I just I didn't walk back in the house. I put all my money and come get me.

SPEAKER_01 24:51

That's funny because I feel like you're what you do that you would have been intrigued by it a little bit, but you're like, nope.

SPEAKER_00 24:57

Well, that's what's weird, I think. Like I think intuitively right away. I was like, uh-uh, that's okay. That's not right.

SPEAKER_01 25:03

That is so funny.

SPEAKER_00 25:05

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 25:06

Um, so do you have any fun events coming up?

SPEAKER_00 25:09

Let's see. I have a swim club where I am doing tarot readings at Turpin Swim Club. Okay. I can't remember the date. Um, I'm at Deadload.

SPEAKER_01 25:21

Yeah, you do that often, right?

SPEAKER_00 25:22

Yeah, I kind of I took a couple years off and I just came back for the summer. So I'm there Tuesdays, five to nine, doing tarot readings. I always do a big summer event in Anderson. Um, they do a big, it's called Barnstock. They have a beautiful home and they have a different foundation they uh raise money for every year, and they always have me out to do tarot readings.

SPEAKER_01 25:45

Okay, very good. Very cool.

SPEAKER_00 25:47

Yeah. Very good. Taught a lot of Reiki classes recently, so attune other people in Reiki, so then they become Reiki masters. So I've had a lot of people over the past six months wanting the tuned in Reiki, which is interesting.

SPEAKER_01 26:00

And then I think you do a lot of things, I guess, especially in summer, but not really, because like full moon events and because that is such a thing, right? I mean, and I feel like it's more of a thing than I ever thought, but my sister worked at a children's home, like this is in the 60s, and I just remember her always saying in the full moon, it was the kids would go crazy and not crazy, but like act, you know, and teachers I think see that.

SPEAKER_00 26:25

Yep, and things like that.

SPEAKER_01 26:26

So what I mean, what is that?

SPEAKER_00 26:27

What yeah. I I mean, we are you know 90%, 75% water, so our body really does react to the moon. I mean, it changes the tides and the ocean, it's gonna affect our bodies. It's just yeah, my old place, I had a big outdoor space and I would do full moon rituals, which were so fun. And so I would have everybody write down what they wanted to release on a piece of paper, and then they would go up to the fire and we would take turns and they could read it out loud or keep it to themselves, but it was very I want to say releasing because that's what it is, but it was very, I don't know, were they like they felt so sentimental, they got very emotional releasing these things, and it was very moving. And you don't write like 10 things on one piece of paper, it's all separate pieces of paper. Okay.

SPEAKER_01 27:23

Oh, one thing in the past.

SPEAKER_00 27:24

Some people had like 20 little pieces of paper, right?

unknown 27:28

Right.

SPEAKER_01 27:29

Um that is so intriguing. So I always ask a Cincinnati question towards the end, but is there any place in Cincinnati that you feel is a kind of a mystical-ish, kind of a magical place where you feel like you know, a lot of people say in Sedona there's you know the earth. Is there any place or even just a place that you feel that draws you at all that you've done anything that you're like, this is a good spot for this? We have a lot of good parks and hills, I guess.

SPEAKER_00 27:59

I know, I think parks, I think anywhere by the water. I'm trying to think of specific places, I'll probably think of it later. But yeah, I mean, there are definitely places I walk into where I'm like, ugh, and then definitely places that I'm like, oh my gosh, this is so relaxing and good energy.

SPEAKER_01 28:21

I love it. Yes. So if you were to give us all just something to do to put some zen in our lives at home, the meditation.

SPEAKER_00 28:31

I would say meditation. I really would. It's it really changes your life because it keeps you on that higher vibe.

SPEAKER_01 28:40

Is there anyone that you have that you can listen to that you recommend or anything or any me. You and you have that because uh yes, and she's got the voice for it.

unknown 28:48

Oh, thank you.

SPEAKER_01 28:50

It's kind of a calming, very calming voice for sure.

SPEAKER_00 28:53

Yes, I I do like teaching meditation. Like when I would go to companies, I would really try to do a whole three-week program with them. Okay, because my intention was for them to learn how to meditate on themselves without using an app. Apps are fine, it's great, but I really want you to be able to, if you don't have an app or if you don't have music, that you can just sit there and open up to that life force energy.

SPEAKER_01 29:18

I love that.

SPEAKER_00 29:19

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01 29:20

Okay, let's see here. What's my ending? Uh since do you have any so anything you want to plug right now?

SPEAKER_00 29:26

Anything we can find you online, you can find you on Instagram.shinefree.co is my um website, Mora Shinefree, on Instagram and Facebook, and then realtor shinefree living.com.

SPEAKER_01 29:41

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00 29:41

So yeah. And this goes out to anybody anywhere because you don't have to be in Cincinnati. Exactly.

SPEAKER_01 29:46

You can do this from anywhere, which is fantastic.

SPEAKER_00 29:50

And that is all over the phone. Okay. So again, I look at your sun, moon, rising sign, I look at your Chiron, which is your wounded healer.

SPEAKER_01 29:57

And healer C, there's something new every two seconds here.

SPEAKER_00 30:00

Yep, that is something that you that all of us struggle with and will struggle with in this lifetime. It's nothing that we necessarily fix, but finding that it's called your wounded healer. So it's your wound, but then it's how you can help other people. So what you're meant to do in this lifetime. And then your north and south node, which are the other things I look at in the program, which are aspects of the moon. Your south node is where you've come from, what you've already done, but it's your comfort zone. So a lot of people stay stuck in that comfort zone because it's easy and it's just their comfort. Our north node is where we're meant to go in this lifetime, which is uncomfortable. Okay. That's where you find your life purpose.

SPEAKER_01 30:41

Okay, I need this this thing.

SPEAKER_00 30:43

Yes. I want to do that.

SPEAKER_01 30:44

Yes. We're gonna book that. I'm doing that. Yes. Well, I really appreciate you coming on with me today. Appreciate you, Hannah. As my second person on my podcast. I love it. Yes, and um I'll I'm gonna come in for that. And I want to do the sound bath in the in the dark room. Yeah, you'll love the sound bath because I I like that with the music. Well, thank you so much. Yes, loved having you. All right.